I heard that Logos Bible Software has a free core engine, and I've never used it, so yesterday I tried to install the free Logos Desktop app for Windows, which can be downloaded here:
https://www.logos.com/get-started
The install began, and then immediately aborted because I have only 10 GB free space on my C: drive, and Logos requires more than 11 GB to install!.
Something is quite wrong here! Yeah, I probably need 5 or 10 more GB free space, but Logos is asking too much. I checked their system requirements:
OS required, Windows 11 (Windows 10 will work temporarily, but Windows 11 will be required in 2026)
Disk space for the install: 30 GB (yes, you read that right)
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/arti ... quirements
Yikes!
Size of Logos Bible Study install
Size of Logos Bible Study install
Eric Pement
2 Cor. 4:5
2 Cor. 4:5
Re: Size of Logos Bible Study install
Yes, I installed it, too, and it is a hog.
It has some nice features if you want to pay every month. The page that shocked me was their add-on libraries. They highlight the one that is over $9000...
I just wanted to try their AI features. I was under the impression they were local but they are not. They use online servers.
I am working on an entirely local AI BIble study system that even with the large AI models required will not be half the size of Logos basic install.
It has some nice features if you want to pay every month. The page that shocked me was their add-on libraries. They highlight the one that is over $9000...
I just wanted to try their AI features. I was under the impression they were local but they are not. They use online servers.
I am working on an entirely local AI BIble study system that even with the large AI models required will not be half the size of Logos basic install.
Tim Morton
Developer, Bible Analyzer
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Rom 4:5 AV)
Developer, Bible Analyzer
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Rom 4:5 AV)
Re: Size of Logos Bible Study install
Tim, are you looking at something similar to what Brandon does on Sword Searcher? I thought at first he was doing an AI thing with his natural language query system, but he is not. His queries are lightning fast, very accurate, and nothing going out over the web! You might want to take a look at sword
Searcher 10. The natural language query system combined with the tools you have in BA would be a dynamite combination!
Darrel
Searcher 10. The natural language query system combined with the tools you have in BA would be a dynamite combination!
Darrel
Re: Size of Logos Bible Study install
I have a true vectorized semantic search system in the works that not only does semantic searches on the Bible but also can semantically search Bible Analyzer modules and a user's own data. If a user has a folder full of web pages or Word docs with sermons, messages, etc. they can also be indexed and search. But the system goes further than that. It also supports a local LLM that can process, summarize, outline the semantic results, much like the online LLMs (ChatGPT, etc.)
This all runs locally but it is also large and demanding on the computer. I'm guessing it will probably weigh around 2.5-3GB including the LLM (which is 2GB).
I am going to put out a survey soon to ask Bible Analyzer users if they have interest in something like this. Many believers are skeptical of anything AI and want nothing to do with it. AI can be dangerous, but the system I would distribute (unlike Logos) will be entirely local. Nothing is uploaded to the internet. It will be the first to be wholly self-contained, I think.
Brandon and I have been talking about AI stuff since before the Dynamic Explorer came out last year, and in that short time AI has grown tremendously. (His new feature uses a vector database.) However, Brandon told me the other day he is getting some flak from some of his users about his semantic search addition because they think it is full blown AI. A vectorized search is nothing to fear. It is not a neural network or machine learning system it is "a specialized type of database designed to store, index and search high dimensional vector representations of data...that use similarity search techniques such as cosine similarity or Euclidean distance to find items that are semantically or visually similar." Or in other words it converts text into numbers in an array that resembles a three dimensional space with the distance the numbers are apart representing their relative similarity. It measures how much one word is like another word in meaning.
A vector database is not really AI at all. It is used in AI but in itself is not AI. However, an LLM (Large-Language-Model) is a conventional AI implementation with neural networks, machine learning, plus vector searching. The system I have has an LLM but it is a small, specialized model used primarily for working with language. It can "understand" text and process it and that is how it can summarize and reform text. There is nothing to fear with a local LLM either. They can hallucinate if left to themselves, but the one I use is restricted with very strict prompts so it only answers with the data presented to it, not its own knowledge.
Anyway, I'm going to ask Bible Analyzer users if these ideas are of interest to them.
This all runs locally but it is also large and demanding on the computer. I'm guessing it will probably weigh around 2.5-3GB including the LLM (which is 2GB).
I am going to put out a survey soon to ask Bible Analyzer users if they have interest in something like this. Many believers are skeptical of anything AI and want nothing to do with it. AI can be dangerous, but the system I would distribute (unlike Logos) will be entirely local. Nothing is uploaded to the internet. It will be the first to be wholly self-contained, I think.
Brandon and I have been talking about AI stuff since before the Dynamic Explorer came out last year, and in that short time AI has grown tremendously. (His new feature uses a vector database.) However, Brandon told me the other day he is getting some flak from some of his users about his semantic search addition because they think it is full blown AI. A vectorized search is nothing to fear. It is not a neural network or machine learning system it is "a specialized type of database designed to store, index and search high dimensional vector representations of data...that use similarity search techniques such as cosine similarity or Euclidean distance to find items that are semantically or visually similar." Or in other words it converts text into numbers in an array that resembles a three dimensional space with the distance the numbers are apart representing their relative similarity. It measures how much one word is like another word in meaning.
A vector database is not really AI at all. It is used in AI but in itself is not AI. However, an LLM (Large-Language-Model) is a conventional AI implementation with neural networks, machine learning, plus vector searching. The system I have has an LLM but it is a small, specialized model used primarily for working with language. It can "understand" text and process it and that is how it can summarize and reform text. There is nothing to fear with a local LLM either. They can hallucinate if left to themselves, but the one I use is restricted with very strict prompts so it only answers with the data presented to it, not its own knowledge.
Anyway, I'm going to ask Bible Analyzer users if these ideas are of interest to them.
Tim Morton
Developer, Bible Analyzer
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Rom 4:5 AV)
Developer, Bible Analyzer
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Rom 4:5 AV)
Re: Size of Logos Bible Study install
Hi Tim,
The whole AI thing is concerning, where Pastors are letting it write sermons, counsel people, and a range of things that cross a dangerous line. I like what Brandon has done, and I like what you are describing. Both of you are talking about a tool that helps process large amounts of data quickly and provides the answers you are looking for.
The problem I have had with Sword searcher (and a little bit with BA) is the lack of (and what seems to be an unwillingness to provide) premium tools. I have been with theWord since 2009 because not only is it a powerful Bible study tool, but it also gives me access to powerfull research tools. Some of the tools are a bit pricey, but most of them are "reasonable" and allow me to get my job done.
Darrel
The whole AI thing is concerning, where Pastors are letting it write sermons, counsel people, and a range of things that cross a dangerous line. I like what Brandon has done, and I like what you are describing. Both of you are talking about a tool that helps process large amounts of data quickly and provides the answers you are looking for.
The problem I have had with Sword searcher (and a little bit with BA) is the lack of (and what seems to be an unwillingness to provide) premium tools. I have been with theWord since 2009 because not only is it a powerful Bible study tool, but it also gives me access to powerfull research tools. Some of the tools are a bit pricey, but most of them are "reasonable" and allow me to get my job done.
Darrel