Dates in the reference panel

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kathleenmarie
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Re: Dates in the reference panel

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It is the dating of Abraham and some stuff that is beyond me. Books in the 1960's and 1970's called it long vs short dating and often included both sets of dates for Abraham and Moses. It did not mean young earth vs old earth dating!!!! Because the long dating is often used with a total lack of precise early dates, they have become linked in the minds of most people. I only know enough to know how much I do not know, and how much the experts also do not know. Because a book is more expensive and the author is more highly regarded, does not mean their chronology is the most accurate. And we now have far more systems than the long and short of the mid 1900s.

The World Video Bible School created a chronology that is more centered upon itself and not as synced to OUR time system. OUR time system is the most unstable thing of all.

The following is long after Columbus. When did Columbus "discover" America?

https://libguides.ctstatelibrary.org/hg ... h/calendar

Between 1582 and 1752, not only were two calendars in use in Europe (and in European colonies), but two different starts of the year were in use in England. ... In the Public Records of the Colony of Connecticut, "A Corte at New Towne [Hartford] 27 Decr. 1636" is immediately followed by a court held "21 Febr. 1636," which is followed, in turn, by "A Cort att Hartford, Mrch 28th, 1637". Although it may first appear that the February session was entered out of sequence, the arrangement is actually correct. Under the "Old Style" calendar and legal new year, 1636 began on March 25. December 1636 was followed by January 1636 and February 1636, and 1636 continued through March 24.

The best business move is to not include dates at all, or to quote an authority. As a non-profit educator, I need a FINISHED list that I can legally and freely share with students. I am going to continue to tweak the list that I have started. I found another Christian school that did the same, and their dates are no more than 2 years different from mine. https://basicsofthebible.org/files/Inte ... istory.pdf

With cookbooks, lists are not copyrighted, but phrases are. I am assuming the biblehub chapter/event headings are copyrighted, but not the dates attached to the verse numbers.

There are times the Bible is precise about dates and times that it is not. The Bible is not always in Chronological order. Chronology is only ONE way to organize a piece of writing. God is not bound by time at all: he is omnipresent.

This is good enough for MY purposes. As a business move, I would need to pray about this. I would probably offer multiple timelines as modules, distancing myself from judgement on them. Or pay someone to lift the dates from Bullinger's OT and I. N. Jones Reference Passage Bible for the NT, and then have to recoup my loss by charging for it. I'd maybe pursue adding the Reece Bible as a module. I'd have to pray.

But if no one minds, I will continue to post what I am doing to with the BibleHub work that is older and wider than Biblehub, but is being increasingly adopted because Biblehub turned the dates into text.

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Re: Dates in the reference panel

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I just found the answer to your question with links to authority!

Long sojourn adds 220 years and divided kingdom issue loses 45 years. We are still looking for the name of 5 more lost years? Or maybe not, because the table matches my dates

We now have a table that matches the dates that I came up with, except Peleg is one year older and I know exactly what that year is about. My math said that Peleg was born 101 years after the flood, but a reputable source said it was 100 years. At this point, I defer to what has been documented my more than one quotable source.

http://www.creationwiki.org/Biblical_ch ... of_Thought

The Biblehub list is the same as Ussher for the following three points:
1. The Global Flood occurred 1656 years following Creation
2. The Temple groundbreaking occurred exactly 479 years following the Exodus of Israel
3. a "late birth" for Abraham

But Biblehub differs from Ussher in the following two points
1. Thiele dates for the divided Kingdom
2. Bible hub uses the "long soujourn"

The Chronology of the United and Divided Kingdoms

This is the basis of the dispute between the Ussher camp and the Thiele camp, because it explains the two camps' divergent (by some forty-five years) dates for the Exodus of Israel and the Temple groundbreaking. The two camps arrive at the following BC dates for these two events, and for one other event in which they differ by two years:
Event Ussher Thiele
Exodus of Israel 1491 BC 1446 BC
Temple groundbreaking 1012 BC 967 BC
Fall of Jerusalem 588 BC 586 BC

The first two sets of dates are exactly 45 years apart. The obvious question arises: What is the reason for the 45-year difference? Surprisingly, the two camps agree within two years on the date of the last event, the Fall of Jerusalem.

Long vs Short sojourn

Ussher assumed that the 430-year sojourn must have begun when Abraham entered Canaan for the first time.

Briefly, the longer the Sojourn, the further back in history was the Babel Incident.

https://biblicalauthorityministries.wor ... ical-text/

Both camps have the same length of sojourn—430 years.

The difference is where was that sojourn? Was it in Egypt only or was it in Egypt and Canaan. Those who hold to a “long” sojourn has 430 years strictly in Egypt where the time in Canaan was not seen as part of the sojourning. Those adhering to the “short” sojourn count the 430 years as the total duration of sojourning in both Egypt and Canaan.

Hence, those who have a “long sojourn” have an overall longer duration from Abraham to the Exodus (time in Canaan + 430 years in Egypt = total time) and the short sojourners have a shorter total duration time (time in Egypt and Canaan = 430 years).

What is the debate over?

As mentioned, this sojourn question is arguably the most hotly debated chronological issue in biblical chronology. In short, it is over the issue of “how long was Israel in Egypt?” prior to the Exodus. So the debate is: was Israel in Egypt for 430 years (long sojourn)[2] or was there 430 years from the point when the promise was given to Abraham to when the Law was given (where the actual time in Egypt would have only been 210 years; short sojourn)?

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Re: Dates in the reference panel

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I found the last few years that were still unnamed. The years are adjustments to calenders, including adjustments to the modern British/American calendars since the 1600s.

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Re: Dates in the reference panel

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I now change my recommendation for businesses. I think the best business move is to adopt the biblehub system with additions from the Thiele 3 column at the link.

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Re: Dates in the reference panel

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I'm not surprised that the length of time the Israelites were in Egypt has a play in the differences. I recently watched this video by Robert Carter and he outlines some of the problems with the Bible dates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ooBTuB7u8M

I have no problem with the BH list as long as we have a reasonable answer to why it is different than Ussher. You have detailed that here so if anyone asks I'll point them here.
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But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Rom 4:5 AV)

kathleenmarie
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Re: Dates in the reference panel

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Beautiful detailed chart that displays this timeline, starting with the 4174 Creation date.

webpage
https://1260d.com/timeline-from-creatio ... ankfinal2/
Direct link to pdf
https://1260d.com/wp-content/uploads/20 ... Final2.png

I think this is the timeline used by at least some professors at Dallas Theological Seminary. It appears to match the doctrines of Baptist dispensationalists and prophesy teachings when used in their books.

Despite the fact that we see this timeline more frequently displayed without the creation date, it is a new earth timeline if the creation date is figured and added. As shown above.I will try and keep adding lists of conservative and DTS trained authors that use this timeline. And especially any resources that include the creation date.

This timeline is used by Lawrence O. Richards in The Teacher's Commentary.
https://www.amazon.com/Teachers-Comment ... 0896938107

It is used in Willmington's Guide to the Bible
https://www.amazon.com/Willmingtons-Gui ... 323&sr=1-2

Ron Rhodes A Chronological Tour Through the Bible
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GR ... kin_p2_i11

Bible Knowledge Commentary (2 Volume Set)
by John F. Walvoord (Author), Roy B. Zuck (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Knowledge- ... oy+B.+Zuck

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